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Marylanders Rally Against Pit Bull Court Opinion

Protestors argued that pit bulls are being unfairly targeted by the Maryland Court of Appeals.

 

Annapolis resident Stehle Harris is afraid she won't have a home. 

As the owner of a bull terrier, Harris said the recent Maryland Court of Appeals opinion that pit bulls and pit bull crossbreeds are dangerous could lead to a slippery slope. The opinion also states that landlords can prohibit the dogs from their properties.

"I think pit bulls capacity to do damage is no greater than a chihuahua," she said. "I'm more apprehensive about smaller dogs."

Harris was one of a group of Marylanders protesting the court's opinion at Lawyer's Mall in Annapolis on Tuesday afternoon. 

Erin Harty, of Baltimore, said Harris' fears aren't unfounded. As a volunteer at Baltimore Animal Rescue and Care Shelter, she said the center is already being overwhelmed with pit bulls as a result of the opinion.

"German shepherds have been targeted, dobermans have been targeted," Harty said. "Pit bulls are the breed du jour"

She added that singling out pit bulls is unwarranted.

"Any dog has the potential to be aggressive if treated unfairly," Harty said.

As a dog groomer for 25 years, White Marsh resident Angela Barnes said she has never been bitten by a pit bull. She owns two rescues of the breed.

"[Pit bulls] are being targeted because people used them in fights," Barnes said. "It all depends on how you treat them."

Kelli Parker, of Fredricksburg, VA, knows this first hand. Before she adopted her pit bull Krush, she said he came from an abusive environment, and was once tied to a outdoor bannister for two weeks. As a result, Parker said Krush was slightly food aggressive when she adopted him.

"With training, he was fine," she said. "He's just very loveable and cuddly."

Parker said the love she receives from Krush and her other pit bull Sasha inspired her to create her own advocacy organization for the breed called The Pretty Chic With The Pits.

"My dogs really did save my life," she said. "They've showed me compassion and unconditional love."

Related Topics: Maryland Court of Appeals, Pit Bulls Protest Annapolis, and pit bulls

Linda Schoene

7:02 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

The Maryland Court of Appeals is targeting the wrong people with this law. Bottom line is they don't want to address the real issue of dog fighting in Baltimore City, and a lot of the areas are mostly black areas, for fear of being called that they are discrimanating against the blacks. I am not saying that there are rno white people who fight dogs, but just look at where some of the areas of the city are that dogs are picked up from, and there are mostly black people in the area. What does that tell you. I know that there are a lot of black people who take care of their dogs, but let's get down to the real issue and this bill is not the right way to go about it. I have lost my house to forecloser and I have a almost 11 year old, mix pit and where will I go. I would rather sleep in my car with the dog, than to give him up. He is my service dog for my bipolar. Come on, all you law makers out there, pick on someone your own size. Get with some of the other issues that are more pressing,like housing, medical insurance, more work for the unemployed, including the senior citizin. I agree, tha there should be some laws about dogs, but if you make laws on dogs, then it should be about all dogs, not just one example. We all know you have been trying to target the Pit Bull, The American Staffershire, The Staffshire Bull Terrier, and Bull Terrier. It is about time you lawmakers go after the real bad guys in this story and they are not the dogs. Don't go after the responsible owners.

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Bernard Lee

6:59 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Your rational that identifies blacks in Baltimore as the core of the pit bull problem appears to be very casually arrived at. In the 1830s when dogfighting became popular in Europe and North American blacks were themselves pitted against each other by white slave owners. The pit bull is what he is because of selective aggression breeding by white dog owners. It matters not who owns a pittbull at this point they are genetically maligned and the blacks in Baltimore are not the culprits. Oddly enough bigotry and racism are also a form of selective social breeding. The symtoms are simlar: Unprovoked unsubstantiated attacks against the object of one's stereotypical bias. The legal designation as 'dangerous' is one we would do well to apply with a broader brush.

Linda Schoene

7:30 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

How about if the people would be able to put a ban on all the money that is wasted by the county and federal government, and you law makers, that could be used for help for centers for children to go to after school, more job for senior workers who want to work and can't eat the right food and get their medicine, because of low incomes. How about speaking up against some of the illegal people who cross the border, have their babies here and are American citizens right away. If you did that it would be called discrimanation, but you make laws about dogs, because they can't speak up for themselves. All you lawmakers are just to chicken to stand up and speak what is really going in the city of Baltimore about dog fighting, because that would be called discrimanation against a race. I am not saying that in some white and hispanics areas they are not fighting dogs, just that get started in the city areas. Responsible owners keep their dogs right and if one dog does not like other dogs, they are kept and walked with a gentle leader or a muzzle. Don't judge all of us by what I call the bad guys do. Give us and our dogs a chance. There has to be laws, but make them fair and for all dogs.

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Chris B.

9:05 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Yeah...great ideas. They'll get to that after they take care of the Pit Bull problem. The issue with Pit Bulls is twofold. First, they were bred to be aggressive. They are aggressive. If Pit Bull owners and lovers aren't able or willing to admit that than there's no hope to ever get the to see the reality of the situation.

Second, Pit Bulls are typically adopted within a specific social class...poor blacks, disillusioned whites that wish to be black, all of which are usually uneducated and irresponsible.

There is no disputing the facts, which indicate Pit Bulls are extremely dangerous. Many of the dogs that maul children are described as the "nicest dog you could ever find." It's such a common theme.

Pit Bulls need to be discontinued. And until they are, it is imperative that the owners of these dogs need to be charged with first degree assault, or more.

I applaud the State of Maryland for considering a hard line approach to this issue. Because someone has to address it. Otherwise these dogs will continue to be brought in by ignorant, irresponsible individuals that have no regard for the safety of children in the dig's vicinity. Someone has to think for these people because they are not willing or able to think rationally for themselves.

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Donna M2birds

8:31 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

I guess ignorance is bliss........very sad and uneducated opinion.

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MikeC

8:41 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Donna, educate me using facts and not emotion and opinion. I might take a second look. Until then, the Court of Appeals used facts to decide this case that Pit Bull owners don't like and couldn't be swayed by opinion and emotion on their side. "I think pit bulls capacity to do damage is no greater than a chihuahua,"????

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Momof2

8:51 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Those who are in protest of the Court of Appeals decision substantiate their arguments with unfounded and emotional stories. The pit bull versus the chihuahua analogy is just another example of this.

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amanda2012

12:27 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Chris is very apparent that you have never met a pit bull and are getting all your "facts" from what you see on the TV. Almost every bite report gets their stats from the media which has been shown to be biased towards this breed by many independent research groups.

I am a white, middle class woman with a child and masters degree and I have a pit bull. So your wrong.

There are MILLIONS of pit bulls that are out there right now who will never bite a person.90% of ALL dog bites come from dogs that are tethered and unaltered. Instead of talking about something you know nothing about, why not listen to people who have actual experience with this breed and educate yourself.

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CarneyGirl

2:19 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

I for one would rather get bit by a chihuahua than a pit bull. The bill is not banning the breed, it just makes the owner have to acknowledge and take precautions for owning a pit. I 100% agree with ChrisB.

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Barbara Telesmanic

8:55 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

You are severly misinformed and a bigot yourself. There are tens of thousans of wonderful pitbulls and owners...Doctors, nurses, lawyers, blue collar and white collar owners. "Pitbulls", which is not even a breed, but a category which encompassed several breeds and mixes, are no more aggressive than any other dog. All nationally recognized organizations back that FACT...ASPCA, Humane Society of America, American Veterinary Association, National Canine Research Council and many more independent groups. Get a clue and stop the fear and hate.

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Jo Leonard

11:24 am on Thursday, May 17, 2012

You obviously did not see photos of the people attending the rally all of whom are pit bull owners. Based upon my visual the people there were overwhelmingly white, and I bet middle class. In the Maryland rule, basically muscular dogs with short fur and square heads are affected, pit bull or not. Historically pits have been charged with taking care of children (Victorian England). They were chosen for tv and movie roles as they interact well with kids. The first decorated military dog was a pit bull, and Helen Keller owned them. The pit bull is the only dog to grace the cover of Life Magazine 3 times. It is true that these dogs are used for fighting, but they are also service and military dogs. Prior to 1975 there is only one documented death of a pit bite resulting in a fatality (DBRF). After the pit bull became targe of choice, there were more. According to the CDC, Great Danes, between 1975 and 1980 caused the most DBRF. Since 1975 more than 30 breeds of dogs have caused DBRF including doxies, labs, and a yorkie. You have a greater chance of being killed by lightning or by a falling coconut than being by any dog let alone a pit bull. The greatest corrolation between dog bites and dog types is whether the dog is neutered or not. The corrolation between dog bites and intact dogs is about 96%. I could go on. I am a graduate school educated, employed, rational pit bull owner. I look at facts not media-generated sensationalism.

Sheeple

9:10 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Sounds like gun control, let's go after guns (Pit Bulls) and not the real problem the criminal (Pit Bull owner)

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Chris B.

9:27 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Except guns don't act on their own... Slight difference.

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lynn p

10:26 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Not sure what educational background Chris has but discontinuing pitbulls is not the solution its the people . So after that what breed is next. And I am educated white work for the court and live in an upscale neighborhood . I have owned a pitbull for 7 years and a rottweiler for 14 . I have lived in my neighborhood for 19 years . There have been 6 dogbiting incidents NONE OF THEM WERE PITBULLS ......from work experience there
are just as many citations wrote for other breeds biting ......

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Karl Schuub

8:17 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Lynn...anybody that owns a pit and a rottweiler has other issues. Why the need for basically what amounts to attack type dogs? You do realize you have according to CDC studies the two dogs most often cited for fatal and severe attacks on humanes - and it's most often children that are killed by these dogs. Statistics don't back up what you might observe in your neighborhood. There's a reason they don't use beagles in dogfights - beagles won't fight like that. To the idiot from the little demonstration who stated she's more afraid of chihuahuas...sheesh one more example of the why these dogs seem to attract the very people either too stupid or irresponsible to own them in the first place.

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Momof2

8:55 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

The statistics are clear about the number of pit bull related deaths of children AND adult victims. From http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-study-dog-attacks-and-maimings-merritt-clifton.php
In the 3-year period from 2006 to 2008, pit bull type dogs killed 52 Americans and accounted for 59% of all fatal attacks. Combined, pit bulls and rottweilers accounted for 73% of these deaths.

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amanda2012

12:23 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

I have a masters degree and am a educator and I own a pit bull. No not just thugs like pitts. Educate yourself!

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Debra C.

12:41 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Why did you choose to own a pit bull and a rottweiler?

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amanda2012

12:53 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

I use to be scared of pit bulls like everyone else on here. I then started volunteering at a local animal shelter that has almost all, pit bulls. I have been volunteering there for over 5 years and have NEVER had one aggressive interaction with a pit bull. I had actual experience with this breed and found that all my fears were untrue. Then I started to educate myself about why this is.

What I found out is that the media has used this breed to sell their stories so the general public will tune in. There is a true story of a man who got attacked by a lab and who called the news. Not one news person would come. He called back the news and said it was a pit bull. Within 5 minutes 4 news vans were there.

Like most people my ACTUAL EXPERIENCE with this breed made me want to get one and my pit bull is the BEST DOG I have ever owned and is amazing with my three year old. The reason that pit bull owners are so mad about this is because of people who rely on what they see on TV to trump what pit bull owners ACTUAL EXPERIENCE is. I would never own another type of dog after owning a pit bull.

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ESPinCC

1:08 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Momof2: the key phrase to pay attention to in the link you provided is the one that says "By compiling U.S. and Canadian press accounts". That study is not a valid statistical representation of dog bites overall, but rather shows which dog bite stories the press chooses to pick up on. BIG difference.

And, if you open up any of the reports linked at the bottom of the page that you provided, you'll see the following statement: "Due to the exclusion of dogs whose breed type may be uncertain, this is by no means a complete list of fatal and otherwise serious dog attacks." By the report's own admission, this is not a a comprehensive or complete list representative of the the true stats of dog attacks.

These are bad stats (they are taken from media reports only, and exclude a significant portion of attacks that have occurred). They do not properly represent all the attacks that have occurred, and do not tell us anything valid about how more or less likely pit bulls are to be vicious.

L. Cornwell

10:30 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

Its clear to me that those who have never spent anytime with the breed or know anyone who has - show great ignorance in speaking as if they know what their talking about.
I spent weekends with my grandmother ( a breeder of small dogs ) so you could say I know a bit about dogs. My first pitbull was a puppy rescued from a fighting ring. I had no idea it was a pitbull until I took it to the vet. At first I was a bit nervous - I only knew what I'd " heard " from the media. That emotion quickly faded.
Speaking of the media. I had an occassion in that past year to have a lengthy conversation with a very popular Baltimore news reporter that admitted to me that a beagle bitting someone's finger off isn't " a news story ". He went on to say that as soon as its reported to be a pitbull - all the local stations are all over it.
I have had no other breed for the past 20 years. Pitbulls are an amazingly smart breed and very loving. Their loyalty and love is a joy to experience every day. I had 3 at one time for a stretch of 10 years. I miss them all. I now have a rescue from Tennessee. The bond she has with my child is something to witness.

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Buck Harmon

11:01 pm on Tuesday, May 15, 2012

If the focus is on the dogs....those doing the focusing are a little out of focus...double dumb with no solution in sight...focus on the bad people involved and a solution may be possible. FOCUS....

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Karl Schuub

8:44 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

The talking point all the pitties have adopted seems to be "it's the people, not the dogs". Think about that...you might want to change that talking point because as should be obvious regardless of where you focus, the danger to your neighbors is the same. I could care little why the dog is dangerous if it presents a danger - it needs to be removed.

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ESPinCC

1:13 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

The point, Karl, is that any dog can be made to be vicious by an irresponsible owner. Banning pit bulls isn't going to magically make dog attacks on humans go away - other dogs can and will be substituted in the role. Going after pit bulls is a case of treating the symptoms, not the disease.

Cyndy Hamilton

7:52 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Funny how only one person on this comment page is for the court's interference (and he pretty much sounds like he's brainwashed by the media hype).

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Phil Dirt

3:06 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

And the rest of us who agree with him choose to ignore the anecdotal "evidence" and emotional arguments that continue to blur the difference between dog bites and vicious dog attacks.

Bart

8:16 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Our family has a very large pitbull, along with 3 other dogs. None of these dogs are aggressive, the pitbull is the most stable and calm of the bunch. He is gentle around puppies and small children, butting them with his nose if they get too close to trouble, yet we would never let ANY of the dogs around any children unsupervised. We are a white, middle class family. The breeder of our pitbull only bred gentle dogs, and carefully sold them to responsible owners. (Yes, he knows them all) He no longer breeds these beautiful animals because of all the trouble. The real problem is the owners. If pit bulls were forced off the face of the earth, these cretins would only chose some other strong breed to do their dirty work. This ban is ridiculous.

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Karl Schuub

11:27 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Hope you live out in the country or somewhere other than Harford because to have 4 dogs normally requires a special license...like a shelter or kennel and then there are requirements for cleanliness and inspections.

Rachel

8:40 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Leaving a comment to back Lynn up - I am also an educated, professional Caucasian female that has chosen to own a 4 year old pitbull mix and she is the light of my life. We regularly visit my grandmother in an assisted living home where she goes from room to room entertaining the residents and often times while out walking, we have a line of children who line up to hug her. She was a rescue herself and we have also taken training (mainly to combat a barking problem). I agree that any dog can be dangerous and also small dogs in particular. A small white, I think Maltese, lives in my neighborhood and often times just goes nuts barking and snapping at my dog, who looks at me in confusion and doesn't react.

The bottom line is that if there is an issue with a dog, this ruling should pertain to all breeds, not pit bull specific.

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Sue Crandall

8:41 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Any dog can be lethal, it's nurture rather than nature. We live on the East Coast, so we are familiar with dog fighting and cock fighting within some minority communities, but pit bulls are family dogs throughout the country. I agree that Big Brother doesn't want to address the problem of dogs trained to fight, because of the minority issue, but there is a much darker side here. What will be next in the government's gun sites?
I believe that Maryland is slowly becoming somewhat of a laughingstock for the rest of the country, because of nutty ideas like this, but unfortunately for the citizens it's no laughing matter. Where will the regulations stop? Will it next be illegal to erect swing sets or swimming pools on your property, because both items are inherently dangerous? How about making all pets with fur illegal to own( oh, that's right, I'm in Maryland, we no longer own pets, we are now "guardians", and can have our animals taken away If Big Brother doesn't think we are doing the right thing) because the animal dander can trigger allergic reactions, or perhaps cause asmatics to have an
episode. After all, San Francisco banned pet fish!
I believe.this court decision has finally pushed this state over the slippery slope. Because of the precedent this sets for case law, nothing we have, own or believe will be sacred, and immune from government interference.
What can you do about this? Vote in November. We put 'em in, we can boot 'em out! It's just that simple!

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Momof2

8:59 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Denver has had a ban since 1989. The following is a website in Australia which handles the problem. Warning it has awful pictures of pit bull victims-
http://www.sittingbull.com.au/

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amanda2012

12:34 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Momof 2. Have you ever met a pit bull? Where are you getting your information from?

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ESPinCC

1:34 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Momof2: Ohio had a ban on pit bulls since 1987, and recently repealed it. Why? Because it didn't fix the problem.
http://www.animallawcoalition.com/breed-bans/article/1495

Cynthia Way

8:55 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Banning pit bulls doesn't alleviate the problem. Stronger consequences for dog owners will. My dog and my neighbor were attacked by a non-pit bull dog whose owner was lying in the sidewalk drunk, and didn't even call his dogs in the midst of the attack. Guess who had to pay for the vet bills? Not the drunk dog owner. In Montgomery County, that burden goes directly on the dog owner, non-negotiable.

Any dog can be bred to be an attack dog. The problem is multiplied because pit bulls are so strong, so the combo is lethal. But the same is true for any other large dog (sorry, chihuahuas simply do not present the same kind of threat). Making owners more accountable is the answer. Banning pit bulls isn't. People at Animal Shelters tell me that pit bulls are incredibly loyal to humans by nature and one of the best breeds for kids. That is, a pit bull who has not been trained to be an attack dog. My two cents.

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Cyndy Hamilton

9:01 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Sorry for those of you that feel those who oppose this are resorting to "emotional" stories as a defense on our point of view. By expressing emotion about our canines we show that there is a huge number of pit bull and mix pit owners who have experienced the total opposite than what you are being led to believe is so commonplace. Feeling strongly about this issue and being able to provide personal experiences is not a negative. Until you can know something personally you, inline with human nature, must determine what to believe. Statistics can be altered and the press can be biased in what is reported. Firsthand knowledge will always remain the best course in determining what side you should stand on.

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Michelle L

9:08 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

One only has to know Cassie of "Cassie's Law" to know the difference between what a pit bull can do and a chihuahua. If only we cared about children as much as we care about a breed that was nearly extinct as they were no longer required to tear apart people in the Roman pits....yet experienced a resurgence in breeding largely for nefarious purposes.

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Jo Leonard

11:30 am on Thursday, May 17, 2012

Mastiffs are actually the dogs used to in Roman pit fights. Not "pit bulls" and the reality is that there is no such breed as a "pit bull terrier". Dogs identified as such are usually a mix and often contain no traditionally regarded aggressive breed mix. In the Maryland court ruling a dog with a square head, short fur is considered a pit bull. My "pit bull" is actually a genetic mix of Corgi, Duck Tolling Retreiver, Labrador Retriever and Beagle, however if you saw her, you would call her a "pit bull" and under the Maryland ruling she is "inherently dangerous".

Momof2

9:08 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

The average dog owner does not define dogs that have the tendency and capacity to kill and maim as a household pet.

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amanda2012

12:37 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

What about the jack russell that maim an infant so bad he needed 40 stitches? Or the American Bulldog who killed his families infant? Or the Ridgeback that killed an infant? All of these stories are stories you can look up and see. ALL DOGS CAN BITE! Focus on anti tethering laws and mandatory spay/neuter deals with the PROBLEM.

Karl Schuub

9:13 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Don't know why all the caterwalling...if you're confident your dog isn't a danger then why would you care that the law is more strict regarding liability for certain breeds - sort of suggests perhaps a little less confidence that what's being professed . Remember the change in the law resulted from a nearly fatal attack on a child. Pretty sure a dachshund wouldn't/couldn't do damage that might result in permanently maiming, scaring or killing someone.

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ESPinCC

1:43 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Because it's not just about liability to the owner. People are being forced to give up or put down their non-violent dogs because landlords who previously allowed these pets on their properties are now are restricting people from having them. Owners now have to make the choice of losing their current home, or losing their family member/pet. This also means that people will be forced to muzzle their dogs, regardless of the the dog's temperament, when taking them out into public places, and this severely restricts the public places owners will be allowed to take the dog, again, regardless of the dogs temperament. This decision has a ripple affect.

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Jo Leonard

11:33 am on Thursday, May 17, 2012

Because under the ruling, landlords are responsible for the dog too, now. As a result people are being served with eviction notices - get rid of your dog or move. BARCS is now euthanizing dogs, and if you look at the kennel card it read "Maryland Pit Bull Rule". I know of two people are ready to sleep in their cars June 1 because no one wants the liability of their so-called inherently dangerous dogs and they don't want their cherished family pets to die.

M. Sullivan

9:33 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

All of you pit bull cheerleaders can whine until you are blue in the face. The well documented statistics show that these dogs are dangerous. Sure, it may be the owner's fault. But this same person can raise a chihuahua to be vicious without anywhere near the consequences. There is a reason that private citizens are not allowed to buy dynamite without a permit. That dynamite may be perfectly safe while stored in the closet for just that "special occasion". But misuse or accidents with dynamite can cause serious problems.

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Cyndy Hamilton

9:41 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

M. Sullivan,
Thank you for the support to the pit bull "cheerleaders". It is the owner's responsibility. A chihuahua, a pit bull - it make no difference - it's the owner not the breed. So with your own support we can keep whining now!

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M. Sullivan

11:15 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Cyndy,
Did you actually read all my words here, or just the ones that seemed to agree with you?

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Cyndy Hamilton

11:20 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

"All of you pit bull cheerleaders can whine until you are blue in the face."
- I will agree to that and I will.

The well documented statistics show that these dogs are dangerous.
- I disagree. Show me true statistics that show both sides of the story. That means you have to show the good and the bad NOT just what is printed in the media.

Sure, it may be the owner's fault. But this same person can raise a chihuahua to be vicious without anywhere near the consequences. There is a reason that private citizens are not allowed to buy dynamite without a permit. That dynamite may be perfectly safe while stored in the closet for just that "special occasion". But misuse or accidents with dynamite can cause serious problems.
- I agree and as I responded: It is the owner's responsibility. A chihuahua, a pit bull - it make no difference - it's the owner not the breed.

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ESPinCC

1:44 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Show us the stats. The only ones I've seen don't back up your statements. See my comments to Momof2's link above.

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amanda2012

1:48 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

The CDC dog bite stats state IN THEIR REPORT
"Because of difficulties inherent in determining a dog’s breed with certainty, enforcement of breed-specific ordinances raises con- stitutional and practical issues."

They also state that they get their information from the media

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Jo Leonard

11:34 am on Thursday, May 17, 2012

Where are you getting your "well documented" statistics? Mine come from the CDC and (Center for Disease Control) which tracks dog bites, maiming and death and their stats do not back you up at all.

Cyndy Hamilton

9:35 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Any dog can maim. Puppies have been known to chew off the toes and fingers of infants. I am responsible for my animals and I am good at it. I do not want to be limited in my freedoms because our government, who can't control what laws are already on the books, decides that the blanket approach will appease the general public.

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JH

9:36 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Pit bull stew to be served at White House dinner.

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Karl Schuub

9:37 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

I want to keep lions...have no idea why anyone would oppose it - it's not the lions, it's the people that own the lions. My goodness, they're like kittens.

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Cyndy Hamilton

9:45 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Karl keep you lions but if they become aggressive or you throw them into an abusive situation you should held accountable not the rest of the lions in this world. They say pit bulls were bred to be viscous (though they were herders, working, and hunting dogs when the colonies were being formed). When did human accountability get bred out of our race?

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M. Sullivan

9:52 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Cyndy,
"They say pit bulls were bred to be viscous"? They were bred to have a thick, stick consistency?

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Cyndy Hamilton

10:00 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Thanks M. That darn spell check! v-i-c-i-o-u-s.
And again thank y-o-u for your support!

William Thomas Capps Jr.

9:41 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

I had a pitt for 12 years. We had to put him down after he became very ill. Harley was the best pooch we ever had. He was a gental as a lamb. I evern trained him not to chase or attack cats. I believe it is people thqt need to be checked out before they recieve a pet. My daughter and son-n-law adoped a german Sheppard. Before they coud get the pooch they were checked out first. Being my instinks as a republican would be that is too much over kill to get a pet! I have come to the conclusion it is the right tthing to do. Lets be candid we have morons in America some should not have a pet let alone raise kids.

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Cyndy Hamilton

9:49 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

William,
I've gone through that process as well and it is effective. However, the laws on the books now concerning dog licensing are not enforced. Why would any pit bull in a fight group be licensed? Their owners are already criminal, anti-social people. Again, it is the responsible people that will suffer most with this government interference and lack of control.

Chuck Burton

9:43 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

The court was wrong to single out a single breed, and cause thousands of responsible owners the heartache of having to give up their loving companions or else be without an apartment to live in. Or, if they own a house, the insurance company can now deny them liability coverage. Any dog (or cat, for that matter) can be dangerous if badly treated. As can any human - we see examples every day. Lets ban humans while we're at it.

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M. Sullivan

9:57 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Many home insurance companies have already had exclusions or higher rates for homes with certain breeds, including pit bulls, for many years. This is because, once again, of the documented statistics regarding pit bull attacks and the severity of the injuries involved. This is not new news.

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Cyndy Hamilton

10:05 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Unless statistics show both sides of the analysis they are faulty no matter who publishes them. High school statistics courses teach that. I don't need to show statistics on that by the way - I took the course.

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Karl Schuub

10:11 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

If it ends up costing more to own a pit it's the price you pay for the added risk - I'd think an incentive to reduce pit populations is the right thing to do..25 of the 52 dogs currently at the Fallston Shelter are pit bulls. What would cause that? Could it possibly be that there's something about the people that want to keep pit bulls that make them far less likely to be responsible for their dogs. Facts don't lie - it would sure seem that way - how else would you explain that 50% of abandoned dogs are pits while they only make up 3% of the pet population? Pit bulls seem to concentrate crappy owners.

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Cyndy Hamilton

10:29 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

I do agree with you Karl. The population needs to be reduced. My own pit mix was a rescue who was abandoned at the local grocery store. The enforcement of the requirements to own any dog needs to be maintained better.

But .... Giving your pet to a shelter does not mean you are a 'crappy owner'. Responsible people make those hard truly crappy decisions. They don't dump their dogs off on the side of the road or worse. People are losing their homes and cannot care for their pets. All shelters I support have seen an increase in the number of pets given up. Pit bulls tend to be harder to get adopted though because of the bad press they receive so their numbers remain high within the shelters. Look deeper to see when each of those pits were placed up for adoption and you will see what I mean.

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Karl Schuub

11:01 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

The intake date of the dog doesn't matter; if they aren't being adopted it means there are too many pit bulls out there. I would also vehemently disagree with your belief that dumping your pet at a shelter isn't an indication of a lack of responsibility. There are unusual instances of dogs being uncontrollable or losing your home...but that's the exception. Most people that that deliberately drop their dogs at a shelter or fail to follow up at the local shelter once the dog is unaccounted for are nothing but irresponsible and crappy pet owners.

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amanda2012

12:41 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

M Sullivan- These "well document" facts you talk about come from the media which has shown to have a negative bias towards pit bulls.

Another "well documented" bite report is run by a victim of a dog bite. Would you trust rape stats from a rape victim or rapist? Or course not, because they are not going to be biased. Yet you talk about "well documented" facts from a completely biased person.

Cyndy Hamilton

9:49 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Easy Chuck - remember the Jim Crow laws!

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Karl Schuub

10:02 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Seriously you're going to compare pit bull legal liability legislation to sanctioned racism? The word tool comes to mind.

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Cyndy Hamilton

10:20 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Actually Karl that was in response to Chuck's remark about banning humans. The government has done that already and it too was in response to a lack of understanding, empathy, and true human accountability as well.

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Karl Schuub

10:36 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Perhaps...but tool still comes to mind.

AMF21040

10:07 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Wish I would have known about this ahead of time¡!!!! Did patch advertise it????

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Lisa Seider

10:22 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Let's add any/all dog breeds that could possbily do more than very minor harm. Rotties, German Shepards, Airedales, Mastiffs, Danes, Weimaraners...at some point we will have the support we need from a large enough body of people who finally get it, that it's not the BREED stupid, it's the owners. YES...of course...hold the owners of any dog responsible if they cause harm, but don't punish a breed for existing because of human bad behavior. Dobermans, Bernese Mountain dogs...this could really get interesting. Mike Miller and Mike Busch want to get this on the agenda of this summers likely special session. Right now O'Malley is saying it's not going be on the agenda. Write to O'Malley and encourage some courage. :>)

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Chuck Burton

12:33 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

The court has made this issue a big emergency for many people - maybe not equal to the fiscal emergency the state is experiencing, but tell that to the dog owners.

Momof2

10:31 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Lisa, the owner is only part of it. Pit Bulls are inherently dangerous. I have not heard of any criminal dog owner's of Chihuahuas being in the news.

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Cyndy Hamilton

10:43 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Chihuahuas are not good news stories. 18 years ago our cocker spaniel attacked my 2-year old son and left him with the 4 inch scar on his face. The dog bite was reported to animal control by the hospital and I did receive a citation. I had the dog removed from our home to a home where there were no children. No one directed me to do this though. I did it primarily for my son's safety and secondly I had responsibility for the dog. If no good home could be found he would have been taken to the shelter or put down.

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Momof2

10:47 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

There is a reason you do not hear about the other breeds in the news.

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Lisa Seider

11:35 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

No science to that comment, just opinion. And if true...then ipso facto all large breeds are "inherently dangerous". So...where do you stop? Welcome to the slippery slope of emotional rulings.

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amanda2012

12:42 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

A man in California got attacked by a lab. He called the news and NONE would come out to do a story. He called back saying it was a pit bull and 5 news vans showed up at his house.

Do YOU think there might be a media biased? ALL Dogs can bite, but the media choses with ones to report. SO if you are getting your information on my dog from the media, your wrong

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Karl Schuub

12:52 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Something about that story doesn't ring true. You expect us to believe that media, print, online and television news sources have some sort of arranged conspiracy regarding these dogs. Get some new talking points...if it sounds like who shot John, it's most likely who shot John.

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ESPinCC

2:00 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Karl, it's not about media conspiracy. It's about media sensationalism, and confirmation bias.

Jerry

10:33 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Am I allowed to have a tiger in my backyard? I am a good owner and will make sure it doesn't bite anyone.

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Cyndy Hamilton

10:45 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

See the 09:45 post above to Karl and his lions. The same should apply to your tiger. Be a good owner, do what is right, and accept responsibility if you fail.

Karl Schuub

10:41 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Here's a classic line from the story "as a dog groomer, Angela Barnes said she's never been bitten by a pit bull". Is that supposed to add credibility? LMAO...pit bulls require like zero grooming other than having their nails clip which I'd assume since they're so docile needn't require a groomer. So to say she's never been bitten as a groomer when she's never had a pit bull in for grooming sure smacks of disingenuous to me...that makes 2 tools.

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leslie goldsmith

10:45 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

As a young child I had a German Sheppard bite my face. I could have lost my eye. Do I think all German Sheppards should be considered dangerous? The answer is no! I have rescued many animals on the streets of Baltimore and have been bitted twice by tiny dogs! History has shown us that generalizing is the danger whether it be PEOPLE OR ANIMAL! Education and owner responsibility is the answer as well as free SPAY AND NEUTER! HELLO!

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M. Sullivan

10:50 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

If a pit bull had bitten your face you probably would have lost half your face, if you had lived. Did those tiny dogs that bit you do any major damage?

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Karl Schuub

11:06 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

M. Sullivan - these pitties don't want to admit the obvious. It's not just the nature of the dog, it's the dogs ability to inflict damage. These references to chihuahuas and beagles are nothing but nonsense. When's the last time you saw a beagle with a studded metal collar trot into the ring for a vicious go round with another beagle? It's ludicrous...the entire argument is ludicrous.

Momof2

11:44 am on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

We have to protect ourselves from these dangerous dogs. It is very important to keep moving in the right direction to protect our children. You must contact your state reps to let them know of your support. This link will take you to a site where you can find out who your state reps are if you live in Maryland-- http://mdelect.net/
Also next session contact them again to let them know of your support for the Appeals Court ruling. It is VERY important. Save the link so you can follow up later.

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amanda2012

12:44 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

OH MY GOD, what about the children???? It is a FACT that children are more likely to be killed at the hands on their own PARENTS then a pit bull. Lets ban parents, or anything with teeth!

If you are so concerned with the children you MIGHT WANT TO FOCUS ON DOG BITES instead of demonizing one breed of dog.

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Karl Schuub

12:57 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Amanda...spare the drama; the dogs aren't being banned. The only thing this law does is allow for additional and more absolute liability if they attack and injure. If you're willing to risk your own personal property because you're sure your pit bull is gentle nothing changes for you.

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Able Baker

5:52 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012

Please explain to me why owners of any other dog shouldn't be subject to the same liability.

Wings

12:16 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

I think there is an exception to every rule. And I am sure there are some pretty awesome Pit Bulls out there that wouldn't hurt a fly. But the simple fact that this is even being dicussed means there are far to many Pit Bulls that are very aggressive. Almost every story you hear about on the news about a dog attacking another dog or person is a Pit Bull. These dogs were bred to be fighters and in some no matter how they are raised it is still in their blood and they will snap. Owners of this breed need to get off of their high horse and know that they are taking a chance by deciding to own one. And caution needs to be used at all times when they are around strangers and other animals. If not YOU should be held liable for your dogs actions. Love your Pit Bull but never for a second forget how dangerous they can be in the flip of a switch. That in itself will go far in changing this breeds fate.

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amanda2012

12:48 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Pit bulls were bred NOT to be aggressive towards humans so if a human had to reach into the pit to pull out a fighting dog they would not get bit. thats a FACT.

All dog owners need to be cautious around other dogs and children. Do I let my dog and child play without me there? Of course not. I have to watch my child when he pulls the dogs ears and hits him to teach him that is not the right way to do things.

This bill punishes ALL pit bull owners, including me. We need to focus on irresponsible pit bull owners and anti tethering and mandatory spay/neuter . Almost 90% of ALL dogs bites are by dogs that are unaltered and chained.

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Chuck Burton

1:12 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Any animal can be dangerous in some situation. I was once attacked by my mother's Siamese tom, when I interrupted his investigation of the spoor of some enemy tom on a bush - it left over 20 scratches and bites on my leg, some severe, and ruined my pants. He was the most abject cat I've ever seen, afterward, knowing he'd made a mistake. Otherwise, he was a wonderful pet. That's one reason I advise spaying or neutering for all non-breeding pets - it can improve their attitudes. Pit owners - and others - take heed.

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amanda2012

1:35 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Chuck- I agree that focusing on mandatory spay/neuter anti tethering laws are what will help with the problem of dog bites.

SOUTHWESTMINSTER

12:33 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Fact: According to Alfons Estelt of the American Temperament Test Society, Inc. temperament evaluations of American Pit Bull Terriers shows that this breed has a very high passing rate of 95%. The average passing rate for the other 121 breeds of dogs in the tests: 77%.

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SOUTHWESTMINSTER

12:40 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

The problem with APBT'S is when they do attack they will cause major damage and thats why we hear about them.

Ann Shepley

12:40 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

A human bites, they break the skin and now the person bit needs to get a tetanus shot. Oh my, do we take the HUMAN biter to the pound, put them to sleep? Any animal can bite at any given time. If you own any animal, you need to be responsible for what it may do. Just another example of another type of discrimination.

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M. Sullivan

12:47 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Uh Ann, humans and dogs are different. Animals are not people. People are not animals (well, some are).

Momof2

12:47 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Amanda 2012. The statistics are clear. Pit bulls are involved in the majority of the attacks that kill humans but they are only in a small minority of dogs owned for pets. Yes I have met a pit bull. Everyone if you support the Appeals decision contact your state reps at the link http://mdelect.net/ Do it now and in the next Assembly session to protect adults and children from attacks.

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amanda2012

12:55 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Do you know where they get their stats from? The media. Does that seem like a "clear stat?" NO

Interested what happened when you met the pit what happened?

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Karl Schuub

1:03 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Amanda...not true. Check the CDC stats regarding fatal dog maulings - those stats are not media reports. Trust me when there's a fatality the police are involved - reports and interviews would indicate the dog breed so the suggestion that these reports are media speculation only are specious. The saddest thing, the part none of your pitties want to discuss is many if not most of the fatalities involve children, and those being children in the home where the dog lives...so it sure isn't like the people don't know what sort of dog they own.

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amanda2012

1:13 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

The CDC gets its reports from the media. IF you read the top box its states

"Because of difficulties inherent in determining a dog’s breed with certainty, enforcement of breed-specific ordinances raises con- stitutional and practical issues. "

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Karl Schuub

1:35 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

And if there's a fatality involving a child with a straight face you'll try to tell me that after interviewing the owners of the dogs who kill they just make up stuff - that people aren't aware of the breed of dog they own; full or mixed pit? Just because the media reports something doesn't mean it's not on a police report. You might keep telling me the sky is green, but you won't convince me.

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amanda2012

2:20 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Karl, I am a mother. DO you think for an instant that I think that a dog that attacks a child is OK? The problem with your argument is that you are talking about an entire breed of dog being responsible for all dog bites and not focusing on dog bites period. If you look at the flip side you are saying that unless you are attacked by a pit bull you dont matter and your injuries dont count. So when you want to have a logic conversation about how to prevent dog bites instead of demonizing an entire breed of dog let me know

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Karl Schuub

2:26 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

If one breed (actually two if you include Rottweilers) is responsible for over 70% of fatalities it should be of no surprise to anyone that the breed(s) should be under some additional scrutiny. If your dog is gentle you have nothing to worry about, if not, and you have some doubts perhaps you need to come up with a plan B.

M. Sullivan

12:55 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

I saw some rocket scientist at the Towson Festival walking his pit bull through the crowds. The dog was straining on his chain and the crowd was clearing a path around him out of fear. The rocket scientist didn't look like the type who could handle any financial liability if his little dog tore off some 5 year old's arm. I would hope that the laws could be toughened so that masterminds like this could face jail time in addition to financial liability.

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amanda2012

1:01 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

"There is no scientific evidence that one kind of dog is more likely to injure a human being than another kind of dog."

http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com

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Karl Schuub

1:11 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

What a phoney pit bull website. They sure hit all your talking points though and they sort of do a very good job at masking an agenda...you have to look at the studies they produce to see it's not about any actual science but assuming a result they like and working backwards from there. When your trying to create studies based upon science you don't assume the answer you hope to get first as the driver for the study.

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amanda2012

1:33 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Karl- if you go to the CDC website they stats in their own document. That isnt an phoney pit bull website and they say it IN THEIR OWN REPORT! YOu can read the report and see for yourself.

"Because of difficulties inherent in determining a dog’s breed with certainty, enforcement of breed-specific ordinances raises con- stitutional and practical issues. "

amanda2012

1:43 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

http://www.abc2news.com/dpp/news/15-most-dangerous-dogs

Out of ALL the dogs the pit bull was number 15. Lets start banning more dogs! IN fact lets get rid of anything with teeth

According to the study's scoring, researchers concluded the following breeds were the 15 most dangerous:
-Chow Chow
-Akita
-Giant Schnauzer
-Papillon
-Dachshund
-Jack Russell Terrier
-Llasa Apso
-Bull Mastiff
-Miniature Pinscher
-Chihuahua
-Old English Sheepdog
-German Shepherd
-Rottweiler
-Dalmatian
-Pitbull

Read more: http://www.abc2news.com/dpp/news/15-most-dangerous-dogs#ixzz1v3VyGTg3

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Karl Schuub

2:01 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Amanda..you still don't get it. Measuring aggression needs to have some relation to a potential to injure; half the dogs on that list couldn't injure anybody regardless of their behavior because their about the size of a hamster. Keep shoveling that crap out though but it won't change the truth.

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M. Sullivan

2:35 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

You just can't understand the problem. It's not how aggressive the dog is, or how well trained or not. It's simply the capability of the dog to do physical harm due to its physiology. One of the little dogs in this list, like a Dachshund can bit you with all the rage in its little body and still not cause major injury. However, a Pit Bull, just playing, can tear your arm off. It's the difference between giving your kid a BB gun and a 45 cal. handgun to play with. They both can shoot projectiles but, the 45 will do a lot more damage. How is this so hard to understand? Apparently the courts understand, and the insurance companies.

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amanda2012

3:04 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

You guys dont get the truth. National Geographic did a test to see which breed had the most bite pressure. So lets talk about the truth, if you are saying that the pit bull is the breed that can do the most damage then they would have the worst bite.

"Strongest Jaw.To answer the question regarding which dog breed has the strongest jaw is difficult because there are so many variables. Of the dogs that have been scientifically tested and recorded, the Rottweiler appears to have the strongest jaw. Remember, this will vary from bite to bite and animal to animal.
If the rumors are true, however, the Doberman has the strongest jaw of all of the domesticated breeds."

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amanda2012

3:11 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Karl and M Sullivan

I own a pit bull, I have volunteered with them for 5 years. I have had much personal experience and have research this breed extensively. I have a three year old at home and as a mother I trust my dog. I have researches this breed to make sure I have a good family pet and yet you tell me that that its "crap" and I "dont understand the problem.

I am confused on what your expertise is and how many pit bulls have you met with amd interacted with. Because it sounds to me you know nothing about "the problem" have never met a pit bull and have believed everything the media has fed you.

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M. Sullivan

3:40 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Tell us, Amanda, if pit bulls are so wonderful, why are they the dog of choice for dog fighting? Why not German Shepherds or even Rottweilers? If this aggressive, tenacious, killer tendency is something that is trained in the dog then, why not other breeds? I think that a dog fighting match between teacup Yorkies might be rather fun to watch.
I don't need to own an alligator to know they are dangerous. Same goes for Pitts.

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ESPinCC

4:05 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

M Sullivan,

When turned into aggressive dogs, German Shepherds tend to be more human aggressive than dog aggressive (not exactly the ideal candidate for dog fights, and the reason they're used more as guard dogs), while pit bulls are the other way around.

And there are a ton of other breeds that are indeed used as fighting dogs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dog_fighting_breeds
Its just become chic in American dog fighting rings to use pit bulls - they've become a status symbol.

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MikeC

5:48 am on Thursday, May 17, 2012

It had to take you quite a bit of searching to find this list, and what makes you think that just because Pitbulls are listed last it was no. 15? I found lots of lists of dangerous dogs, this list was one of the ones with the least information accompanying this list. Amanda, you're not doing very good research here. F! And avoiding the numbers of maimings and killings, man, do those words mean anything to you at all??? Personally, when looking for a dog I'm looking for one that I would have lots of fun with, trust around my children and other folks, and it would be a great companion. I'm not looking for any of these dogs.

Karl Schuub

3:37 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Amanda - I have shelter dogs...lived in the city; saw pits all the time. Nobody is telling you to get rid of your dogs or not to volunteer. If you feel comfortable by all means go ahead. This ruling only provides for a much stronger liklihood that damages can be collected by people injured by animals proven to be occasionally and sometimes mortally unpredictable. If you think your dog is gentle nothing changes for you. Quit crying about this - if however one of your pit bulls bites the neighbors kid and causes serious injury be ready to hand over your mortgage...you choose.

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amanda2012

3:51 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Karl- That is only PART of the ruling and there are so many more problems that this ruling did not even consider. I am not crying, I am trying to get the other side of the story shown to people like you, who have refused every argument that I have presented because you have already made up your mind. Also on the flip side it also states that unless you are bitten by a pit bull you are not entitled to the same compensation and are not as important. I dont worry about my dog biting anyone because I have had her for 8 years and I am a responsible pit bull owner.

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SOUTHWESTMINSTER

4:22 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

DogsBite.org is a national dog bite victims' group dedicated to reducing serious dog attacks. some might say "Biased "

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ESPinCC

4:29 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Regarding dogsbite.org, they are not exactly an expert site, nor unbiased. Thier research is shoddy, and they use cherry picked data.

http://btoellner.typepad.com/kcdogblog/2010/03/the-truth-behind-dogsbiteorg.html

Show us some data that has good scientific methodology behind it.

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ESPinCC

5:14 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Karl, you're incorrect, there is far more to the ruling than what you've stated here. As I said above: people are being forced to give up or put down their innocent, non-violent dogs because landlords who previously allowed these pets on their properties are now are restricting people from having them. Owners now have to make the choice of losing their current home, or losing their family member/pet. This also means that people will be forced to muzzle their dogs, regardless of the the dog's temperament, when taking them out into public places, and this severely restricts the public places owners will be allowed to take the dog, again, regardless of the dogs temperament. This decision has a much bigger ripple affect than you've portrayed in your statement..

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Able Baker

5:55 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012

Dogsbite is run by a lady whose only expertise is that she was bitten by a dog once.

Karl Schuub

3:59 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Maybe your argument is being refused because it's full of holes.

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Daya Chaney-Webb

4:11 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

As the past owner of a German Shepherd, who was loved and cared for immensely and still tried to attack bicyclers, old people with canes, and small children, I know there there is such a thing as a dangerous breed. While profiling (even with people) is never a good thing because generalizing is never 100% correct, some breeds really are more likely to be aggressive and dangerous. I know this is an unpopular sentiment, but truly my opinion. I think it's interesting that the ban didn't work in that state that was mentioned, and I wonder why? People probably just continued to breed illegally? It's been said on this thread already, but size and strength in combination with risk of aggression -- which IS proven -- makes the breed too dangerous.

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Zoobie

5:07 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Much to-do about nothing! To own a Machine Gun, one must pass a background check, and purchase an annual stamp. Will that person ever turn agressor and use that weapon unlawfully? Don't know! Same thing with Agressive Dog Breeds. They should be registered, a background check should be made on the owner, and an annual stamp should be purchased from the city or county for owning an Agressive Breed.And, if the owner is smart, they should carry insurance for liability on that Agressive Breed. The Court didn't go that far, so feel lucky and control that Agressive Breed!!!

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ESPinCC

5:11 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

First you have to define an "aggressive breed". All breeds of dogs can be aggressive, and there's zero science based evidence to show any one breed is more aggressive than another. Dog owners are already required to license their dogs, so I don't see the benefit or point of going that route.

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Kate

5:58 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

Just what we need, MORE Government control.

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Able Baker

5:57 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012

You're aware that all dogs *do* have to be registered and vaccinated on an annual basis, right? Most people just choose not to do it, and the government isn't interested in making people comply.

RARE MARYLAND INDEPENDENT

6:38 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

These people took a day off from work for this?
What a bunch of losers!
Eliminate the breed immediately. If one gets loose and hurts some body after the breed was eliminated, the same physical punishment and injuries should be branded on the owner.
Problem solved.
Next issue

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Buck Harmon

8:15 pm on Wednesday, May 16, 2012

What will be said when there are no more pit bulls.?....................doggone....
This link has repeated itself 5 times it seems..............................doggone...

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South River Parent

6:38 am on Thursday, May 17, 2012

My families 3 experiences with pit bulls:
1- my cousins family pet attacked their 5 year old. Bit him in the mouth and tore his cheek loose. Several stitches and rabies shots required. Dog euthanized..
2 - My daughter's boyfriend had 3 pits. One day the largest attacked my daughter biting and tearing at her head. Ripped part of her hair and scalp off. Big ER bill and several stitches.
3- went to Quiet Waters dog park with our large breed puppy last week. Someone brought a pit. Our dog was just running around in circles and the pit out of now where just attacked our puppy. The pit owners said nothing and acted like it didn't even happen.

Simply the facts .

On another note it is very disappointing that so many comments on the patch are so racially charged - on both sides. It is sad to believe that my community is so divided and bigotted. I do hold out hope that the common feedback here is representative of only a small sector not all of Davidsonville and Edgewater.

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Tim

12:32 pm on Thursday, May 17, 2012

South River Parent: I agree.This community is a microcosm of the entire nation these days.

This nation's population is mentally and emotionally digressing over the past few years - rapidly.

As much as we like to deride other countries that are more socially repressed, the irony is that this country has been heading in that direction in recent history. The teapot/kettle argument from other countries population is gaining steam - and quickly.

Ginger Johnson

12:19 pm on Thursday, May 17, 2012

I don't think any of you get it!! It doesn't matter how many rules and regulations are put in place there are still going to be the bad dog owners that train bad dogs. Some of these dogs can and have been rehabilitated BUT if said dog feels threatened or the need to protect it's owner then watch out! Pitbulls are very strong and have a "death" grip, that is the major concern. Yes all dogs bit but not all dogs bit to kill most bit to scare. I have been bitten by a small dog and I still have the scare on my leg from it, dog came out of it's yard while I was walking to my house and bit me for no reason (I was a teenager at the time). I have owned a Pitbull, got him when he was 9 weeks old, one of the best dog I ever had, you could walk right up in my house and he was fine, knock on the door.....then he knew you were a stranger and would bark. Our yard was fenced in, he kept jumping the fence until we got him fixed, fixed that problem and the need to eat my furniture. We had kids that would run their bikes up against our fence and tease my dog. We also had an 8 year old boy in the house, puppy was brought up with him, those two were best friends. At 9 years old my dog went after my 2 year old nephew who was playing on the livingroom floor, unprovoked. It took me a year but i did what I had to do for my family and my dogs best interest after talking with my vet. I didn't want my dog adopted by the wrong person, he was a big strong dog, so I put him down. I couln't risk either

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Ginger Johnson

12:28 pm on Thursday, May 17, 2012

If you have a wonderful Pitbull that has never bitten anyone never shown signs of aggression then kudos to you, these rules are put in place for everyone but the ones it will affect will be the very people you don't hear speaking up in the blog.....the criminals! We all know the possibilities of aggression a Pitbull has and now if you want to keep them you have to take on that liability. If you have a pool in your back yard you have to add additional home owners insurance because of the liabilty, if you put that pool in without permits you have to pay a fine, if you knowlingly leave your gate open one night and a child drowns....guess what, you are liable. People need to be held accountable that is whats wrong with society these days, everyone wants an exception!!

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Mommy23

2:45 pm on Friday, May 18, 2012

This is just so wrong in every which way!! As stated above by many this breed if raised by responsible owners is one of the most loving, loyal, sweetest dogs. It is wrong for this breed to be discriminated against. All animal owners should be held responsible for thier animal, not just this one breed. Just like If you choose to own a car it does not matter is you have a large SUV(which can cause alot of damage) or a tiny smart car(which would not damage as much) it is the law to carry insurance incase your car causes damage or injury to another. It would make no sense to say only the vehicles that cause alot of harm you need insurance for. If you own it it is your responsibility to drive it safely to try and not have an accident. It is your responsibility as a pet owner to try to prevent incidents w your pets, ALL BREEDS!!!! If I was injured by any amimal large or small, 2 stitches or 200 stitches I would expect the owner to be responsible!!! To say this about one breed is ridiculous and comes from the minds of ppl w no common sense!

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Karl Schuub

3:53 pm on Friday, May 18, 2012

Common sense??? If you drive a corvette your insurance is much higher than if you drive a camry. Why do you think that is? Let's call your pit bull a corvette and the lady's beagle down the street a camry. If you want to keep your costs down you're free to buy a camry, but don't expect those that made that more wise camry choice to subsidize the corvette for you. Apparently statistically those that drive corvette's are much more likely to have an accident. Your example lacks exactly what you accuse other of lacking...that would be common sense.

William Lutostanski Jr

5:13 pm on Friday, May 18, 2012

Common sense would say that a corvette is much more expensive then a camry thus the difference in insurance premiums. A corvette in no more likely to get into an accident then a camry. A corvette driver is subject to all the same speed limits and driving laws as camry driver. The driver of the vehicle in either case would be held responsible for any negligence or violation of the law.

By the way Prince Georges County pit bull ban cost over $500,000 to enforce what do you think a state wide ban would cost?

http://stopbsl.org/bsloverview/expensive/ This details the cost.

Pit bull saves a life !
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7408004n

For your reading pleasure.
http://www.humanesociety.org/animals/dogs/facts/statement_dangerous_dogs_breed_specific_legislation.html

P.S .... I do not own a pit bull. But I believe in freedom. God Bless.

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Karl Schuub

6:55 pm on Friday, May 18, 2012

Price isn't the only driver for insurance premiums...all cars under the "sportscar" category will end up costing you more by way of insurance. Volvos cost more than Corvettes, but the insurance rate for those cars is very, very low by comparison. Why do you think that is? You pitties just don't get it. Go ahead and keep your pit bull; just be ready to pay out some big bucks if it bites somebody...it's not a ban and yet you link to a report that estimates costs for a ban. That's a waste of time...plus a statement from the humane society that has nothing to do with injuries from dog bites but the frequency of bites themselves as if that's a driver of danger to children. You can't with a straight face declare a nippy little yorkie more vicious than a pit bull because they bite your ankles but yet that's what you're trying to get others to believe.

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Able Baker

6:01 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012

Volvos cost more than Corvettes? What planet do you live on? The lowest end Corvette retails for about twice that of a Volvo.

William Lutostanski Jr

8:29 pm on Friday, May 18, 2012

Karl, Maybe you have trouble reading. I do not own a pit bull. In fact I don't even like them, I think they are ugly. I linked the ban because most of the posters to these pit bull articles advocate for one. The lowest corvette model starts at $9000 more then the most expensive volvo model, maybe your opinion on cars is as misinformed as your opinion on dogs. The driver of a " sportscar" is held to the same standard as the driver of a pinto.

http://www.avma.org/public_health/dogbite/dogbite.pdf

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Karl Schuub

8:39 pm on Friday, May 18, 2012

Apparently one of us doesn't read for content and lacks comprehension but it's not me. I never supported a ban...but do support additional financial responsibility and liability for those that choose to keep pets that are statistically proven to be more dangerous. Here's a link to help you understand that yes, typical driving patterns do affect insurance rates and yes, sports car drivers are assumed to drive less responsiblity...indeed someone is misinformed.

"4) High performance and sports cars, like Porches, garner higher car insurance rates because drivers of such vehicles tend to drive at accelerated speeds, causing them to get into more accidents. The rates increase further if drivers are in their 20s."

http://voices.yahoo.com/what-kinds-cars-will-increase-car-insurance-2946703.html

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Able Baker

6:33 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012

You do realize that yahoo voices is basically a blog where anyone can post an "article". The rest of the articles that particular author has written are Dancing With the Stars recaps. But hey, you seem to be a fan of bad information, so knock yourself out.

John Bender

8:53 pm on Friday, May 18, 2012

All you people that "need" dogs just need an emotional crutch in your life. You are week and can't handle normal life without some non-human giving you "love" for giving it dogfood. Wow, how intelligent and weak.

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Sam S

8:52 pm on Sunday, May 20, 2012

Unreal. Idiots that treat dogs like humans. "My poor little pit bull does no wrong!" I wish you pit bull owners could hear yourselves, but since you can't, here's what it sounds like - "A grizzly is not agressive, it's not his fault. It's just the owners fault that didn't feed him enough. If he was feed enough he wouldn't have gutted that 5 year old boy and ripped his limbs off."

Morons. It's because of people like you that you can walk into any randam 7-11 and see a jar for donations to animals filled with 20 dollar bills sitting next to a jar for a paralized kid with drool running down his face filled with about 84 cents.

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ESPinCC

9:49 pm on Sunday, May 20, 2012

Psychopaths: proven to have no empathy for animals. Thanks for the head's up Sam - now we know who to keep an eye on in this community.

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Sam S

4:43 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012

I have plenty of empathy for animals. I have 3 of my own. What I don't have empathy for is people that put animals above humans. You are right about one thing though - you should keep an eye on me if you own a pit bull that gets lose and attacks one of my children. That will be the last thing it ever does.

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Able Baker

6:09 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012

Ugh, false dilemma. "No one can care about anything until this important issue that I care about is solved". How many people could have a hot meal or health care with the money you spend on your pets? People priortize plenty of things over other people. Every time you make a purchase that isn't food or shelter you're putting personal comfort over some more worthy cause.

Jeanne

7:05 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012

This is a fact: Pit Bulls can be nasty if encouraged but raised in a good home and treated well, have food and dry safe place to live, Pit Bulls are a wonderful dog. ALL dogs can attack if given incouragement. I have a Lab and if someone comes after me he knows to protect me. When we go out and there is a stranger that is acting funny my Lab will only walk between me and the stranger, my neighbor's Pit Bull is the same way. They are also the same in that if the stranger approaches and is agressive they growl and bark and if that didn't work they would protect their owner. It is not the breed that is bad it is the owner neglecting the dog or raising it to fight. Any breed can fight treated bad enough, any breed can attack. ALL breeds of dogs are good. My lab plays with several differnt breeds of dogs twice a week and loves it, the people that work there have fun with the dogs and love them.
Go after the bad PEOPLE, of all races, not the animals.

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