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Open Thread: Did Man Go Too Far Protecting His Son?

A Baltimore man allegedly forced one of his son’s tormentors into his car and cursed at him.

How far would you go to protect your child from bullying? Tell us in the comments.

Donald Shields Sr., 33, is being held without bail on kidnapping, assault and false imprisonment charges after he allegedly forced a child that reportedly beat up his son into his car and cursed at him on Nov. 5, according to Baltimore Sun. Shields allegedly drove the boy around before dropping him off at Yorkwood Elementary School.

Tia Drakes, Shields’ fiancé, said he was doing what the school wouldn’t do and  protecting their son, WBAL-TV reports. The eight-year-old boy told the television station his stomach would hurt when he went to school because he was so afraid of bullying.

The issue of bullying in schools has become an increasingly prolific topic that some officials want to see more efforts put into curbing.

Baltimore County Councilwoman Vicki Almond announced that she will introduce a resolution calling on lawmakers in Annapolis to: "provide the necessary resources to school systems and appropriate agencies who work with young people and allow them to establish multi-disciplinary teams in each jurisdiction, to include but not be limited to school personnel, and representatives from the local police department, the appropriate local mental health agency and the local State's Attorney, to address bullying, harassment, and intimidation."

Buzz Beeler November 23, 2012 at 11:19 AM
According to our illustrious SA Scott Shellenberge and is assistant Ms. Slazk there was no crime. Cyber bulling only occurs when a life is threaten so I was told by the police who followed Shellenberger's stance. Had the authorities addressed this in the beginning the hand grenade would not have go off.
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jon posner November 23, 2012 at 12:00 PM
You can't abduct someone else's kid no matter what they did - besides, the kid is just behaving the way he was taught by his upbringing. It always starts at home. Anyone who thinks "job well done" by the father is a nut in my book. Vigilante much?
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Donald November 23, 2012 at 01:08 PM
if my kid would have done wrong I would have dealt with it, not some A--H--- parent. I would have went nuts on the idiot parent. "IDIOT"
Parkvillehoney November 23, 2012 at 05:27 PM
Jon, Mr Shields may have went a little far by taking the child in his car. I think he was right to reprimand this kid, since this child's parents don't look like they are doing a good job. When I was growing up, neighbors always corrected us, than told our parents, which was worse! These little hoodlums are our future criminals, if their negative behavior isn't stopped at an early age. Same this socielty is so politically correct. Any comments??
John T. November 23, 2012 at 09:26 PM
Agreed
Buzz Beeler November 23, 2012 at 11:11 PM
Jon, noone is suggesting breaking the law on the part of the father who felt victimized. I blame the SA and Shellenberger and Johnson for their total lack of the knowledge of the law. As soon as Shellenbeger returns my PIA I going to blog this problem. The solution is accountability, not protecting the politicians who run the system.
Paul E. Schoen November 23, 2012 at 11:40 PM
The father may technically have gone too far, but I think he was really just making a citizen's arrest, and maybe he should have taken the bully to the police station and pressed charges. I also wonder how he was able to get the kid to come into his car. If he had half a brain he would have run away. The no bail condition IMHO is a constitutional violation and the charge of kidnapping is over the top. If this bully is not properly punished he will think he can continue his criminal behavior. I was bullied 50 years ago when I was in JHS and the authorities would not do anything even then. Things are much worse now.
jon posner November 24, 2012 at 01:02 AM
My only point is that it crossed the line and it seems nobody really disputes that. I agree bullying is a huge problem - I have pre-school age children and it's daunting to consider what they're in for - I just do the best I can, as any parent should. I certainly couldn't swear that I'd never do anything rash like this - now that I'm a parent I understand it some.
Donald November 24, 2012 at 01:34 AM
So is kidnapping!
edb November 24, 2012 at 02:04 AM
What is really sad is that this bully's mother was on TV spouting the "not my little angel" garbage. She takes no responsibility for the actions of her child. It was wrong of the father to get this kid to get into his car, but as a parent, he was frustrated with the system. I don't think he intended or thought this to be considered kidnapping.
Parkvillehoney November 24, 2012 at 03:09 AM
@edb, now I can see why this kid is a bully. Look at his mother. She probably ignores her kid's bad behavior. Wait till this negative behavior turns into criminal behavior. Than she will realize that she should have corrected her child when he was younger.
Tim November 24, 2012 at 04:29 AM
what Donald said. All the bullying victim's dad did, was bully a kid. I wonder what his dad thinks about that? I mean, obviously, the apple seldom falls far from the tree..
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Seal Team 2 November 25, 2012 at 02:09 AM
I think parents should be held accountable for there kids actions, What ever your kid gets you get. He gets detention for bullying you get to come serve it with him, He gets community service you get to do it with him. When parents dont care, Kids dont care. Unfortunatley you dont need to get a permit to have a Kid. I would Vote for that.
Seal Team 2 November 25, 2012 at 02:14 AM
Oh, And I would not have taken the kid into my car but i can assure you after I got done with an intimidating conversation he would be running home cryoing to his parents about what happend. They would be knocking on my door for an intervention. My kids are trained in Martial arts from age 5 and have my permission to kick the crap out of any one who does not leave them alone after two warnings with no repercusions from home and they are also taught to protect others who are not strong enough to stand up for them selves.
baltochick November 25, 2012 at 01:45 PM
Yes, he is the adult here and clearly went to far. We cannot do our own policing no matter how much we want to. There are reasons for that. However I can understand the actions. Bullying creates a victim that feels powerless to stop the abuse. The "system" is supposed to step in and prevent it from occurring. That system failed here and fails all the time. It's only natural to want to protect your child. And truthfully it's only natural to want the bully to receive a taste of his own medicine. However, the proper course of action would have been speaking with school administration and demanding something be done immediately to correct the hostile school environment. Having been the victim of bullying throughout middle and high school I feel for the child who was being bullied. And despite the fact that I believe it his dad went too far I would be a liar if I didn't admit that the wounded bullied child inside of me is cheering him on. That victim inside wishes someone had stuck up for me and yelled obscenities at the bullies who pulled my hair and constanly called me names. If that makes me a bad person so be it.
Baltimore Matt November 25, 2012 at 02:06 PM
The parents of the bully sounds like half of this city's parents that think their little pos never does any wrong. They don't punish their children and if anyone else even thinks about calling their little pos out, they must have the problem because their little pos is an innocent victim who does no wrong.
Tim November 25, 2012 at 02:19 PM
Agree with you, on both comments. Too much lack of accountability/lack of reality from parents. This is how I hope to raise my son as well. Just looking for the right martial art for him now. I take something a bit non-main stream, but they aren't teaching children as of now.
Tim November 25, 2012 at 02:19 PM
Isn't that how it always is though?
Baltimore Matt November 25, 2012 at 02:59 PM
This is why we shouldn't be putting this guy in jail. Given his frustration and the school's non existent response to what goes on under their own roof, maybe we should let this guy go because unlike the half the parents in this town that do nothing, he took his son's situation seriously and gave what I believe a merited response. Isn't this better that having the bullied kid coming to school with a gun to settle the score?
Buzz Beeler November 25, 2012 at 09:47 PM
An interesting perspective from Jean Marbella and the Sun. http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-marbella-school-kidnapping-20121124,0,647439.story
Buzz Beeler November 25, 2012 at 09:49 PM
Paul,neither the police or the SA's Shellenberger even know what the law is. The police have a unit and Sellenberger does not. Shellenberger assistant DA Ms. Slazek says oh well you wanted to go on the internet and that's the way it is. Would be nice if the right new what the left was doing. No problem Scot and Slazek! http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2012-04-16/news/bal-cyberbullying-takes-a-fatal-toll-on-maryland-student-20120416_1_cyber-bullying-shaniya-boyd-fatal-toll http://articles.baltimoresun.com/keyword/cyber-bullying If you can't read a law book at least read the papers.
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james smith December 02, 2012 at 01:39 AM
Dennis, You must be an educator because you sound just like them. Yes, the school administration and teachers have enough to do, and the most important of those things is to discipline the kids to create a learning environment. When we were in school, there was discipline. The educrat fools took discipline out of the schools to improve the learning environment, or so they said. The school administrators have created the environment that not only allows, but encourages bullying. They need to punish some of the educators along with the bullies.
Daniel Reinhardt December 02, 2012 at 02:27 AM
James Smith, it is the responsilibty of the parents to discipline their children and to teach them right from wrong. Bullying exists because of neglect and bad parenting at home.
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